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Tyler S. on 02-20-2012 11:23 AM
It's sad how low on the list Akira, Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away and Grave of the Fireflies are...
Cloudy Wind on 03-1-2012 02:47 PM
they didn't even have paprika on there. Akira should be top 10 if not top 1. I can't think of a better animated movie I've seen.
Cloudy Wind on 03-1-2012 02:47 PM
they didn't even have paprika on there. Akira should be top 10 if not top 1. I can't think of a better animated movie I've seen.
Bigbrother on 02-20-2012 11:52 AM
This list really illustrates the shortcomings of the tomato meter. I love the Simpson's as much as anybody, but the movie better than The Lion King? And Pixar is good, but all those movies better than all those classic Disney films? Anime? And others? I don't have an issue with a Pixar as #1, but practically every film in the top 10? I got a feeling this list is going to change drastically in years to come as perspective is applied.
BLaCKWoLF on 02-20-2012 06:54 PM
Obviously, I couldn't agree any more. It is even more perplexing when you consider how beautifully crafted and timeless many of those characters and stories from the Disney age, really are.
Christopher256G on 02-21-2012 03:23 PM
Pixar is great, but year it's a little much here. I have 3 Pixar movies in my all time top 10 animated (Ratatouille, The Incredibles, and Toy Story 3) Beauty and The Beast is way too low, though I have to say The Lion King, in my opinion, is about at it's proper place. It's a good but flawed animated film, better in it's style than in it's storytelling.
Kelsey H. on 03-6-2012 01:38 PM
If you'll notice, a lot of the movies dont even follow along the tomatometer. A movie with a point or two lower will outrank a better scoring one on this list. The site doesn't even go by its own standards.
Janson J. on 02-20-2012 12:46 PM
Boo. Excuse me, but I didn't see any Bakshi here. I assume the 'urban concrete jungles' was a reference to "Heavy Traffic", "Street Fight" (being PC), or "Fritz the Cat", but damn if they ain't on this list. And if you're going to put up something as banal as "Simpsons", why no "South Park"? "Shrek" needs to to be stripped from this list entirely. In terms of classic Disney, no "Alice in Wonderland"? I'll take "Power Puff Girls" over most of the Disney cartoons of the last 15 years. How exactly "Fantasia" isn't number one is your own private mystery to figure out, along with how "Akira" couldn't make the top ten. As for the majority of these American cartoons of the last decade, I'll just quote "Ghost in the Shell" - "Now that I am a man, I have no more use for childish ways." That's not to put down all children's animation, but when you're older you see that the true classics sustain in value. Most cartoons put out by Dreamworks, Pixar, and Disney today are just childish. No hate to "Toy Story", probably the best of the bunch, but most others are.
And I know it probably doesn't even qualify, but "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" is still one of the greatest.
Janson J. on 02-20-2012 12:57 PM
A couple other shout-outs have to be Bill Plympton's "I Married a Strange Person" and the theatrical release "A Boy Named Charlie Brown". These are considered fundamental in their respective circles.
Dave J. on 02-20-2012 01:11 PM
I agree about "A Boy Named Charlie Brown" since it has a high 93 percent!
King S. on 02-20-2012 01:49 PM
Actually, I think Shrek deserves its spot on the list. In fact, I'd rank higher than a number of Pixar movies and that's saying something. Of course, it's hard to feel the same impact today as 10 years ago, but I still remember fondly the first time I saw it. It was the kind of film that came completely out of the blue. I and many people I was watching with thought from the opening narration that this was going to be another traditional fairy tale, so you can imagine the surprise everyone got when it was revealed that the narrator was an ogre in a swamp who was reading it while in the bathroom. Afterwards, it was just twist after twist of everything we had come to know from growing up with fairy tales. It just felt so fresh and original.
To this day, I still think the humor holds up well. Yeah, seeing pop culture references isn't as unexpected as it was then, but it's still pretty damn funny. Not only is it cleverer than most other spoofs, it also spoofs something everyone has grown up on rather than spoofing a bunch of B-movie science fiction films (Monsters Vs. Aliens) or spoofing something that kids have no clue about (Shark Tale)
Also, unlike so many other Dreamworks films, Shrek had a lot of heart to it. The romance between Shrek and Fiona was more heartfelt than what we see in a lot of live action movies. Also, despite the big names I never failed to get lost in the characters, unlike say Shark Tale where I kept wondering "why are they calling Will Oscar?"
Also, regarding Alice in Wonderland, although I liked it more than critics, I can sort of see some of their complaints against it. Even Walt Disney himself was supposedly dissapointed with it. Despite the best efforts to give the film something of a plot to it, it's still basically Alice running into one weird character after another, and while I thought that was what made the film so entertaining, it doesn't really give it a strong story arc.
Janson J. on 02-20-2012 02:11 PM
We'll just have to agree to disagree about "Shrek". 'Clever' is about the LAST word I would associate it with. My beef isn't in the subject matter of the humor rather than the poor quality of the wit. A 'reference' is not a joke, which may not be your fault for failing to understand because most sitcoms I've caught in the last decade are rarely more than weak referential humor. I had a single chuckle in "Shrek" (donkey on the edge) and I'll credit that to Eddie Murphy's manic delivery. "Shrek" is the epitome of what I hate most about modern kid's movies. Although I did grow up watching a bunch of B-grade sci/fi, I'm not about to defend "Monsters Vs Aliens" or "Shark Tale" either. Glib, dumb, and uninspiring are the lot of them. I would also single out "Wall-E" as one I think is a true classic. And I liked "Monster House". But it's very rare when I find a modern American cartoon worth a salt lick.
"Alice in Wonderland" is just one of those tales. Deliberately incoherent and chaotic. I think the original Disney version is still the best film version.
Bigbrother on 02-20-2012 05:32 PM
You didn't laugh when Lithgow is torturing the Gingerbread Man? I thought that was funny. The sequels I agree horrible, but the original was pretty great.
King S. on 02-21-2012 12:52 AM
Hey, hold on there, I don't think at all that just referencing another film makes for a funny scene. That's the flaw of all those Disaster/Epic movies. I certainly don't go "hey, they referenced a movie I know - that's hilarious!" Shrek I felt was more along the lines of Top Secret and Airplane. Even if you just had a very general idea of the genre they were spoofing you'd still have a blast watching it. I didn't see Saturday Night Fever when I first saw Airplane and I still found the "Stayin Alive" sequence to be a blast ("she was the most amazing thing. I had to ask the guy next to me to pinch me to make sure I wasn't dreaming") Similarly, I didn't see that dating show or whatever it was called and I still found the mirror, mirror scene to be hilarious. Shrek took a vey typical fairy tale and just added one great twist after another. Yeah, sure it probably had a big hand in shaping the way most animated movies now are, but I wouldn't fault it for all the Shark Tales/Chicken Littles that followed it any more than I would fault Aladdin for inspiring animated to hire big names rather than experienced voice actors or fault Gladiator for all the King Arthurs/Alexanders that followed it.
Janson J. on 02-21-2012 01:52 AM
Don't let me spoil your fun, guys. As long as I never have to watch it again, I couldn't care less.
Janson J. on 02-21-2012 01:43 AM
Fueled by hate and wild turkey, I decided to track down these weasels leaving their fecal funk all over these masterpieces. What I found was shameful but not shocking. "Grave of the Fireflies" has a single rotten review that this punk doesn't even make available to read. Cowards and Pigs! Other lonely schmucks - "Fantasia", "Dumbo", "Snow White" (with a classy critique about her afterbirth), "Castle in the Sky" (not on the list, nor is the perfect "Porco Rosso"), and my pick of "A Boy Named Charlie Brown" has a single rotten review, again unavailable, and likely indefensible. The confusion over Bakshi's "Heavy Traffic" may have been because of its borderline 88%, caused by two reviews. Other dropped dueces put the stank on "Fantastic Planet", "Secret of NIMH", and "Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind". The other Bakshi 'urban concrete jungle' "Streetfight" has no score despite having two fresh reviews. True, it's black and bitter as cold coffee, but where's the love? (and the misunderstood "Song of the South" has only four rotten reviews - being based on actual African-American oral tradition, it's quite a bit more authentic than, say, "Princess and the Frog", or even Kwanzaa)
The four separate rotten reviews for "Akira" and "Spirited Away" are collective nonsense. My other choice of "I Married a Strange Person" has three rotten reviews, and Bill Plympton's newest, "Idiots and Angels" is standing at 100%. For comparison, "Up", at #2, has five rotten reviews (same as "Charlotte's Web"), and "Ratatouille", at #11, has eight rotten reviews (same as "Perfect Blue"). Incidentlly, "Ninja Scroll" also stands at 100%.
Of course the biggest crime here is the 2/5 review of "Fantasia" from Empire Magazine. Notice how they put "high art" in quotes, like it's Bigfoot or something else you don't really believe in. The intellectually insecure would rather drag down excellence rather than elevate themselves to take it seriously. Then they say something or another about how the babies were crying in the theater, like they're little soiled litmus tests. If an infant can't understand it, then it MUST be boring!
King S. on 02-21-2012 05:12 AM
To be fair though, the Pixar movies also get a few critics who give the movie a rotten review just so they can look cool (or in the case of Armond White manage to find some hidden message in the film that is discourage) The only difference is 3 critics out of 200 won't hurt the film's rating nearly as much as 3 critics out of 30.
Janson J. on 02-21-2012 01:23 PM
The list speaks for itself. The top is Pixar-heavy, so obviously any hate aimed at them is not having the same effect.
Dave K on 02-22-2012 01:56 PM
Even though I thoroughly disagree with your views on the FIRST Shrek, I'm glad someone mentioned Nausicaa. I couldn't believe when I looked it up and found it had an 80%. The problem is the amount of reviews. Two negative reviews (the only one I read was two paragraphs long and seemed to be written by someone half asleeep) out of ten. Therein lies the problem inherent in the tomato meter. The more overall reviews, the more negatives a movie can take. It's absurd to consider Nausicaa a B minus level movie. All of the Ghibli movies were woefully low on this list.
King S. on 02-20-2012 02:03 PM
It's an interesting but pretty flawed list. First of all you've got the typical problem in which the rating of the film doesn't reflect how great critics think the film is. The Simpsons is a perfect example of this. While so many critics liked it, how many thoguht it was one the best animated films ever? It was basically a bigger longer episode of the Simpsons that was more akin to the earlier seasons, which made it a welcome return, yet not exactly something you'd consider on a best of list. Then you've got the problem of the number of reviewers. Nearly all of Disney's classics and the Studio Ghibli films have a limited number of reviews, which means one negative review can really impact the rating (just look at how badly The Lion King was effected by a few reviewers of the 3-d version who felt it wasn't as good as its reputation)
Personally, here's my list of favorite animated movies (in no particular order, though I the first three are my favorite):
The Lion King (not only my favorite animated movie by my favorite movie peroid)
Castle in the Sky
Wall-e
Beauty and the Beast
Up
Spirited Away
Toy Story trilogy
Princess Mononoke
Dumbo
Fantasia
Hunckback of Notre Dame (I think this is one seriously underrated movie)
Carl M. on 02-20-2012 05:26 PM
I could mention a dozen great but sadly underrated Disney classics, such as the Hunchback of Notre Dame, which would never make it to the top of a list such as this.
Why? Because they aren't made by Pixar. Or rather, Disney is not the "in-thing" right now.
Andrew Rossi on 02-20-2012 03:20 PM
how is the jungle book so low? and was not expected toy story 2 to be top. it is my favorite of the toy story's, but i always thought i was in the minority.
Movie Monster on 02-20-2012 04:46 PM
I think Toy Story 2 deserves to be in the top spot. Of all the films in the trilogy, I've seen that one the most. So funny and quotable. I've seen a lot of the films on this list and I want to check out a lot of the anime films listed such as Akira, Grave of the Fireflies, and Ghost in the Shell.
Carl M. on 02-20-2012 05:23 PM
How come every second film on the top page is from Pixar?
Sometimes I think the critics function with a hive mind as they all seem to have the same opinion about everything, and in this case everything that comes shipped with a Pixar-logo is glorified as a piece of art, when really it's just a strategically marketed versions of old Disney storytelling, featuring some really creative character designs to delude the audience.
Anyway, it's nice to see some underrated competitor achievements such as Bolt and Rango making it to the list, albeit not to the top.
Francisco Vidal C on 02-21-2012 10:53 AM
´´everything that comes shipped with a Pixar-logo is glorified as a piece of art´´
if we follow this logic,then cars 2 would be instantly acclaimed as a masterpiece,instead alot of critics hate it,
no person just gives good ratings just because of the pixar logo..they give good ratings,because they tought that the movie deserved that rating
TheAnimatorRator on 02-20-2012 08:28 PM
As much as I love animated films, this list just fails on pretty much every spectrum. Some films are to high, some to low, some missing, and some shouldn't be there AT ALL.
Raul N. on 02-20-2012 09:57 PM
I'm glad you guys didn't leave out The Secret of NIMH this time... though most of the list is totally inaccurate... I'm sorry, but it is.... :/
dethburger on 02-21-2012 09:42 AM
Where the fuck is Space Chimps?!!
Space Chimps should be #1!!
ThatCriticalJew on 02-21-2012 01:35 PM
really? are you just trolling? or are you really saying this?
dethburger on 02-21-2012 05:27 PM
Obviously you've never seen Space Chimps or you would know.
Janson J. on 02-21-2012 05:51 PM
OOO! DP'd by dethburgers! Throw in the Space Chimps jacking and flinging, and you might have a pretty good flick out of that.
Mr. Dufresne on 02-21-2012 11:26 AM
I honestly am not a fan of lists in general. I'm not one of those people who can make a list ranking any of my favorite films. All I know is that there are many great animated films on this list, and that they're all different and all great in their own way. So I'm not getting hung up over a list that I don't 100% agree with.
IrreducibleKoan on 02-21-2012 11:57 AM
I'm a fan of well-thought out lists based on votes by editors, writers and critics of taste. For example, Total Film and Empire lists tend to be pretty good. But I'm definitely not a fan of these RT lists based on tomatometers. Other users here have already pointed out the failings of such a list. Going only by tomatometer will give precedence to the popular, the newer, and the generally-liked-if-not-necessarily-loved (like Simpsons). If anybody is interested in a very good alternative to this list, check out Total Films' 50 Greatest Animated Films.
Janson J. on 02-21-2012 12:30 PM
Certainly a more diverse list. I couldn't figure out the ranking (if there even is one, and maybe that's an improvement), but I was glad to see the inclusion of cult favorites like "Fritz the Cat", "Scanner Darkly" and "Watership Down", but still no Bill Plympton :( Also glad that "Roger Rabbit" qualified.
@Dufresne - my only beef with RT is using Ralph Bakshi in the lead-in only to omit all of his movies. That makes me think "Heavy Traffic" was on there at some point but got bumped off. But my real complaint is the fact that some random douchebag bloghead can add a rotten review to an older film, a classic, which may only have 20-30 reviews, and effectively have that kind of an impact. Look at "Dumbo", universally hailed except for Blan McHackerson (his real name is actually a little funnier) from some pitiful little rag called Decent Films Guide. This may run counter to the more democratic "everyone's entitled to their opinion", but some opinions just happen to be more thoughtful than others. Who are the real experts? Who gets to be a top critic because of their connections? The list of limp-tongued ushers for the industry is long (Gleiberman and Schwarzbaum, Denby, Corliss, Hoberman, Edelstein, Tucker, D'Angelo, Roeper and of course all the up-and-comers eager for the studios' favor, like front-row groupies with tight jeans and local blow) Their job is not to tell you what the best movies are - they're here to sell you the hottest product. That's the crucial flaw in a critic-based meter and list. I like RT because when you can see them all in one place, you can read where they're coming from that much more clearly.
Mr. Dufresne on 02-22-2012 10:21 PM
Well, there's nothing really wrong with lists, but I personally don't make them or really consider them, just because there are so many great simulatenously different movies out there. I mean, I can list several movies I love, but I can rank them 1-50 or even 1-10, lol.
Nicole S on 02-21-2012 12:15 PM
Am I the only person on the planet who doesn't like the Toy Story series? Give me a Brad Bird animated film any day.
Mr. Dufresne on 02-22-2012 10:18 PM
I can understand not liking it as much as most, but not liking it at all? Well, to each his/her own.
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Thomas E. on 02-20-2012 10:23 AM
I've noticed that if I post a comment, all of a sudden more people check my profile out...can one of you please send me a message and explain why you decided to check it out? I never say anything of particular interest.
I do the same thing, usually if someone makes a jackass comment about a reviewer, film, other RT user's opinion.
And more importantly, this site needs more five favorites. There is nothing personal or particularly fascinating about these giant lists.
Corr on 02-20-2012 10:37 AM
I agree with you. Having a list of 75 films to go through can get kind of tedious, and takes too long. I would rather have shorter lists of 5-10 movies.
I also have the same thing happen to me, I get more views on my profile when I comment. I don't think it has anything to do with posting something interesting, it's just that commenting is pretty much the only way someone is going to see you on here, so if your in-active you won't get many people looking at your profile. And sometimes people just get bored and want to see what kind of movies you like and the ratings you've chosen for them.
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Des A on 03-1-2012 12:37 PM
oh its a us animation countdown.....ghost in the shell and akira have to be in the top 5 at least top 10 or this is not a valid list